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Comments for Why I trust God OVER any Scientist when it comes to Man Made Climate Change

This past week we had a historic event take place because saw the Roman Catholic Pope visit the United States.

The basic nature of Mother Earth is cycles of relationships like air to CO2. Trees are the basic component and if we are too aggressive in cutting without replanting we pollute rivers and streams and the earth heats up without the absorption of the foliage. When we view our humanity as a partner with Mother Earth, we have a long history ahead. Otherwise Mother Earth will get rid of us. . .
Commented: Friday, October 2nd, 2015 @ 5:17 pm By: Gene Scarborough
COWSPIRACY is the Netflix Documentary about 51 per cent of air pollution is produced by the Meat Industry.
Commented: Wednesday, September 30th, 2015 @ 4:40 pm By: Ted McDonald
These are all flawed arguments. I'm working on an article related; be patient.
Commented: Wednesday, September 30th, 2015 @ 12:28 pm By: Christopher Maye
I have made a time lapse study of the temperatures variations in the old folks home and the results are inconclusive. The time frame for this study was tightly controlled and measured over a period of at least 5 minutes. No animals were harmed during this experiment. I have been paid no money nor have I published this in any peer review scientific publication.
Commented: Wednesday, September 30th, 2015 @ 10:49 am By: Bobby Tony
Climate Change is big money and to some remarkably stupid people, almost entirely Democrats, i.e. Solyndra. That scandal alone would sink almost any Republican.

And how about the EPA e-mail scandals, their anti-Constitutional enforcement of what may be fake laws - pure lawlessness. And for what - the Religion of Climate Change. As per hypocritical Liberals, "There is a separation of church and state in America". Obviously not for them.

Yes Bobby Tony, follow the money.
Commented: Wednesday, September 30th, 2015 @ 10:27 am By: Stan Deatherage
Follow the Money is always the best indicator of authentic research.
Commented: Wednesday, September 30th, 2015 @ 10:19 am By: Bobby Tony
Liberals treat Climate Change as a religion to the point of ridiculousness, with no math, whatsoever, as to the cost, which confirms another scientific hypothesis of mine - Liberals can't do math.

The fraud Al Gore did not help their case in the least.
Commented: Wednesday, September 30th, 2015 @ 10:16 am By: Stan Deatherage
If I had time and interest, I could spend the rest of my life researching this. Here is the Google result of just a simple "Climate Change" Search. It seems there are varying opinions.

About 141,000,000 results (0.38 seconds)
I have previously tried to stir the pot with the post below but it gave out of steam or CO2
beaufortcountynow.com
Commented: Wednesday, September 30th, 2015 @ 10:09 am By: Bobby Tony
Netflix documentary says meat production causes 51 per cent of air and water pollution but the Beef Industry sues everybody who reports this.
Commented: Wednesday, September 30th, 2015 @ 5:13 am By: Ted McDonald
I'm done with this. It's wasting time
Commented: Tuesday, September 29th, 2015 @ 8:53 pm By: Christopher Maye
Well, then it is not partisan. That's cool.

But, of course, no public money would be involved. And then it is just talk, simply talk.
Commented: Tuesday, September 29th, 2015 @ 8:22 pm By: Stan Deatherage
Christopher, I think if you review the discussion, you will see the argument is not about the facts of Climate Change but our beliefs about it. When you take my money by force and spend it on something that I may not agree with, then it becomes a partisan issue. It would be just as partisan if your tax money was spent on an advertising campaign stating that there is no such thing as Climate Change.
It makes no difference on what the right or wrong of the issue is it is the nature of life that all things are partisan. Since most of the research on Climate Change is funded by tax money, there is no alternative but to have partisan disagreement. Imagine a government that took the position that the 3% of active climate scientist were correct and the 97% were wrong. Would you then agree that it is partisan? If something is prejudicial towards a particular point of view, you can call it partisan, regardless of which side you are on.
I think you will find that in human endeavors nothing is absolute. Since the beginning of time, everyone knew that the earth was the center of the universe, until about 1514 when a guy names Copernicus postulated a different scientific theory.
Commented: Tuesday, September 29th, 2015 @ 8:05 pm By: Bobby Tony
Exactly, you're trying to claim that a scientific theory (a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation.)
Just because an issue exists doesn't mean it is, or should be, partisan.
Commented: Tuesday, September 29th, 2015 @ 7:16 pm By: Christopher Maye
When the public's money is involved, it will always be a political question, and it will always be partisan.

If you want to just debate the science, that is fine, but when the public's money is spent, it automatically becomes political, and that was the basis of Rod's post.
Commented: Tuesday, September 29th, 2015 @ 7:13 pm By: Stan Deatherage
Deatherage: This isn't a bipartisan issue, this is a sustainability issue. That argument makes utterly zero sense. Science doesn't care what belief structure you have.

Tony: You are now arguing word choice and possibility of circumstance. The avoidance of the word fact in science is a statement that we don't know everything, where as (idiots) in politics view things in absolute certainty... look where that got us.
I'm writing a really detailed article right now on this subject
Commented: Tuesday, September 29th, 2015 @ 6:21 pm By: Christopher Maye
I'll make a deal here on the Man-made global warming debate.

I will give my full support, the support of my part (the big part) of BCN towards countering Man-made global warming by advocacy; just as soon as the Liberals in charge: 1) destroy ISIS and all remnants of ISIS; 2) permanently solve the debt crisis, which would mean partisan Democrats working with Republicans in congress to cut waste, and negotiate a prudent path forward; 3) make positively sure that other far greater offenders, like India and China and Japan are pulling their weight as well.

I've had a belly-full of political hypocrites, of which Democrats are the far worst offenders.
I would like to finally see the Democrats have some skin in the game of governing, before I get on board with their Simple strategy towards sustaining our future.
Commented: Tuesday, September 29th, 2015 @ 6:14 pm By: Stan Deatherage
Good points Christopher, but I was disputing the 97% quoted figure, which would indicate that 97% of all scientist support the thesis. Do not confuse my position with that of Rod. My discussion is on the narrow use of 97%
From your NASA site. "Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree". The survey was limited to actively publishing climate scientist agree. I guess my point is that if you surveyed all the Pastors you would find that at least 97% believe in God. Beyond that, there may be a lack of consensus on anything else. The scientific method always ends with a "conclusion" and not a fact. It is subject to change as Neil points out in his clip.
As entertaining as Neil deGrasse Tyson is in your clip, he is not citing studies and facts, but just saying that his sources are better than other people's sources.
Regardless of the minute details, I will agree that mankind has an impact on the climate, what I have some problems with is the idea that we may be the major cause of Global Warming. Since I am not a research scientist, I will await more definitive factual studies. All the projections and past measurements are not based on measurements but on computer models that extrapolate probabilities. The technology to measure global temperatures did not exist until recent history.
I will yield the point to you however, because it is not my area of interest and your inquisitiveness will have more years than I have left to resolve any disagreements between differing scientific viewpoints. Sabine has spoken and I have no choice but to accept others opinions since I am not a research analyst.
Commented: Tuesday, September 29th, 2015 @ 6:04 pm By: Bobby Tony
1. A scientific theory is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation."
2. Scientific consensus: climate.nasa.gov
3. You used the appeal to authority fallacy
4. "I offer you an alternative perspective. See things from all perspectives before you act. Ensure your truths are based on facts, not an opinion on fact. Seek that your truths are that of your own, not adopted from another. Follow these three things to avoid being a part of humanity's plight."
-Sabine Retlin
5. This explains better the nature of scientific research, something often misunderstood beaufortcountynow.com
Commented: Tuesday, September 29th, 2015 @ 5:11 pm By: Christopher Maye
It cannot be a fact and a theory at the same time. I have no idea or proof either way. But I am a supreme skeptic on all things claimed as fact by people who have a dog in the fight. I merely point out that the 97% figure that is tossed around is a manipulation of numbers to accomplish a purpose. Prudence would dictate that we continue to study the facts but be careful not to extrapolate the data beyond it relevance. Climate Change in and of itself is an overly broad term that has little or no scientific meaning.
"The '97% consensus' article is poorly conceived, poorly designed and poorly executed. It obscures the complexities of the climate issue and it is a sign of the desperately poor level of public and policy debate in this country [UK] that the energy minister should cite it." - Mike Hulme, Ph.D. Professor of Climate Change, University of East Anglia (UEA)
www.populartechnology.net

"Ensure your truths are based on facts, not an opinion of fact". Sabine Retlin
Commented: Tuesday, September 29th, 2015 @ 2:35 pm By: Bobby Tony
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.”
- Neil Tyson, Astrophysicist.

You use the word "science" in quotation, implying that the evidence for climate change is invalid or entirely made up. I'll agree with you in saying Climate Change is just a theory. A scientific theory, just like gravity or Einstein's theory of relativity.

The theory of climate change isn't a "liberal money making scheme" as ignorant conservative propagandists will have you believe. Climate Change is a well tested scientific fact. 97% of scientists support this theory, this is something known as the scientific consensus, when an overwhelming amount of evidence supports a hypothesis. (Climate change in this context would apply to your disambiguation of "man made climate change")

Yes, the Theory of Climate Change COULD be wrong, but you know what else could be wrong? The theory of gravity, the theory of electromagnetism, the theory of radioactivity, the theory of relativity, the theory of propulsion. These are all theories that have a significant impact on our lives. It is your right as a citizen of a free country to believe what you choose, but if you choose not to believe something because it MAY not be true; shouldn't you ignore all scientific theories and resort to a primordial lifestyle since there is a slim possibility it might not be correct?
Commented: Tuesday, September 29th, 2015 @ 12:48 pm By: Christopher Maye
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