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Comments for Ten Years (now 22 years later) After 9/11: a Recollection, a Time to Remember

It was a clear beautiful, royal blue sky day on Wall Street. The S & P futures were up markedly, awaiting a positive open, as I turn to get my first cup of coffee. I return to CNBC to get the morning business news, when I notice that the S & P futures are falling, and they're falling fast.

The Panthers did well, Stan.

You and BT need to meet at the Blowing Rock and then we will have a new feature to NC--- 3 rock heads blowing!!! Go on down to Caesar's Head north of Greenville, SC, and it will have 2 more rock heads. Go to Stone Mountain and see how big hard rocks can get when the hot core of this planet belches out rocks . . .
Commented: Sunday, September 13th, 2015 @ 5:15 pm By: Gene Scarborough
I am in Blowing Rock and about to hit the Blue Ridge parkway myself, and away from BCN.

Good Luck to the Panthers today, for I will have better things to do than watch them.
Commented: Sunday, September 13th, 2015 @ 11:20 am By: Stan Deatherage
My Work here is done, Bobby Tony has left the building.
Commented: Sunday, September 13th, 2015 @ 11:16 am By: Bobby Tony
Interestingly, a talk radio's publicist just contacted me and asked if I would publish his opinion pieces, so BCN might just have that discerning audiance.

Our Democratic elected government, until our populace can become much smarter, should probably not occupy any more countries. What the Democrats did to the Vietnamese is completely analogous to what the Democrats did to the Iraqis with the Obama surrender of Iraq.

Johnson mismanaged Vietnam completely, and a Democrat congress finished it off.

Obama one upped Johnson by surrendering a whole territory from a war fully won to some of the most evil humans ever to draw breath.

Hopefully, BCN will help to educate so we can have a smarter electorate.

Bobby Tony, your commentary and your stamps are most helpful here.
Commented: Sunday, September 13th, 2015 @ 11:08 am By: Stan Deatherage
I was imprecise in my comment, I guess. Opposed is probably not the correct word, my own angst was for those who would be sent there and the suffering that I suspected they would endure and not an evaluation of the facts or political motives fostered it. I have been working on my "Grandpa Diaries" about my RVN experience and was probably overly provoked by one of the asinine comments.
Interestingly enough, I think Vietnam was a noble war for noble reasons, which was poorly executed by micro management of politicians. The massacre of those left behind is proof enough for me in addition to the many Vietnamese I have met here who have thanked me when they found out I was there. It was not my war but America's war, which I was privileged to participate in. One of the few things that angers me now is the revisionist theories about our greed and plunder of the country for financial gain.
I have broken my own advice about commenting on post, so I will leave it as it is. I trust that the readers of BCN are astute enough to separate fact from fiction even if some of us posters and commenters can't.
Commented: Sunday, September 13th, 2015 @ 10:43 am By: Bobby Tony
Clearly, for Gene:
Commented: Sunday, September 13th, 2015 @ 10:38 am By: Stan Deatherage

The WMD stuff was off questionable intel and we had satellites flying over Iraq which can detect tire marks on the ground = they had some Serine gas invented by Germans to exterminate Jews they DID NOT have rockets big enough to do more than they did to their own populace.

Saddam's sons also had a chipping machine they towed behind their personal truck. All the current and past fear-mongering is nothing but Conservatism fear gone wild.

The Stand Down which countermanded the Standing Order had to be given by Bush or Cheney. National Security will keep it hidden for the same years as the Kennedy Assassination. Truth has a way of bubbling up and out despite the attempted cover.

Why don't we all deal with basic issues of why Ben Laden was the known criminal and Georgie Bush made it Saddam Hussein. Meanwhile Dick Cheney and his companies got rich as other US despots of corporatism over private contracting in the Middle East.

If your simple minds can dare to admit it --- war is hell / war makes people rich / war is the basic drag down to deficite budgets since 9/11. Here are the facts on WAR:
Commented: Sunday, September 13th, 2015 @ 10:33 am By: Gene Scarborough
Bobby Tony,

Some wars have to be fought. You got caught up in one that did not need to be, although in a larger sense the Vietnam War did help with winning the Cold War.

On the other hand, Obama surrendering Iraq will go down as the greatest military blunder in America's history.

Look at the Middle East. It is far past the flash point there, and soon that war will be exported here to a weak and unsuspecting American populace.
Commented: Sunday, September 13th, 2015 @ 9:47 am By: Stan Deatherage
I agree there were WMD at one time and possible transported to Syria. I suspect many are still in Iraq but have seen no proof (I admit, I have not actively researched the subject recently). My opposition to the war was more personal as a former combat veteran and not a political analysis, but I had no better alternative and was willing to trust the judgement of most of the free world intelligence agencies.
One of the things that got Patton in trouble was his use of former NAZI to manage the infrastructure and he was relieved of command. We left a vacuum in Iraq and subsequently in the whole region which allowed the festering of the current terrorists.
Regarding the lie of "NO WMD", there has been enough misinformation that some low information "Internet trolls" will continue to repeat the phrase ad nauseam.
Commented: Sunday, September 13th, 2015 @ 9:30 am By: Bobby Tony
Bobby Tony,

My 'arm-chair quarterback' opinion: The WMD's (which were there and probably wound up in Syria before the invasion) were an excuse to take Iraq and use it as an embarkation platform to strike anywhere in the Middle East fast. In any military strategy, a proper base of operation is a fundamental need.

I believe the original intent was to never leave Iraq until the World Wide War on Terror was over many decades from now, but Bush made two huge mistakes: 1) He allowed Colin Powell to protect the peace, which he royally screwed up with de-Baathification; 2) He allowed the Liberals to project the Bush Lied lie, by not strenuously refuting the Liberal idiots' wanton hypocrisy.

You could argue that you should never wrestle a pig in slop, but you can't let the pig own the slop. Not with the American public's short attention span, and their growing lack of real knowledge.

Liberals lie; it is what they now do; part of their Alinsky-the-end justifies-the means group thought training.

One needs only to look toward Hussein Obama and Hillary B. to know this truth.

I don't think there will ever be a Republican president who will ever tread so lightly ever again, when it comes to allowing Liberal lies to stand.

The way to saving our nation is not through the better politician, it is through the smarter, more truthful electorate.
Commented: Sunday, September 13th, 2015 @ 9:05 am By: Stan Deatherage
Strike three, back to the dugout, you're out.

Osama bin Laden
"There is no universally accepted standard for transliterating Arabic words and Arabic names into English;[17] however, bin Laden's name is most frequently rendered "Osama bin Laden". The FBI and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), as well as other U.S. governmental agencies, have used either "Usama bin Laden" or "Usama bin Ladin". Less common renderings include "Ussamah bin Ladin" and, in the French-language media, "Oussama ben Laden". Other spellings include "Binladen" or, as used by his family in the West, "Binladin". The decapitalization of bin is based on the convention of leaving short prepositions, articles, and patronymics uncapitalized in surnames; the nasab bin means "son of". The spellings with o and e come from a Persian-influenced pronunciation also used in Afghanistan, where bin Laden spent many years.
Osama bin Laden's full name, Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden, means "Osama, son of Mohammed, son of Awad, son of Laden". "Mohammed" refers to bin Laden's father Mohammed bin Laden; "Awad" refers to his grandfather, Awad bin Aboud bin Laden, a Kindite Hadhrami tribesman; "Laden" refers not to bin Laden's great-grandfather, who was named Aboud, but to a more distant ancestor.
The Arabic linguistic convention would be to refer to him as "Osama" or "Osama bin Laden", not "bin Laden" alone, as "bin Laden" is a patronymic, not a surname in the Western manner. According to bin Laden's son Omar bin Laden, the family's hereditary surname is "al-Qahtani" (Arabic: القحطاني‎, āl-Qaḥṭānī, but bin Laden's father Mohammed bin Laden never officially registered the name.[18]
Osama bin Laden had also assumed the kunyah "Abū 'Abdāllāh" ("father of Abdallah"). His admirers have referred to him by several nicknames, including the "Prince" or "Emir" (الأمير, al-Amīr), the "Sheik" (الشيخ, aš-Šaykh), the "Jihadist Sheik" or "Sheik al-Mujahid" (شيخ المجاهد, Šaykh al-Mujāhid), "Hajj" (حج, Ḥajj), and the "Director".[19] The word usāmah (أسامة means "lion",[20] earning him the nicknames "Lion" and "Lion Sheik".[21]"
Commented: Sunday, September 13th, 2015 @ 8:59 am By: Bobby Tony
Commented: Sunday, September 13th, 2015 @ 8:52 am By: Bobby Tony
The Facts:

Records show that there was no shoot-down order in effect for Flight 93 because of garbled communications between agencies. When the plane crashed, the defense command was still unaware it had been hijacked.

no stand down order??
Commented: Sunday, September 13th, 2015 @ 8:42 am By: Bobby Tony
Bush did not Lie
No less than Bob Woodward has explained this. He spent 18 months researching the Iraq war. Bush did not lie. I was not in favor of the war but once it congress approved the action and the decision was made, I felt it only correct to support the decision and certainly the troops. It was not a lie but an assessment by almost every intelligence community in the modern world believed to be true. We did not go to Iraq for the Oil. If we did we would still be there sucking it out of the ground without payment to repay for our monetary cost of getting rid of Saddam Hussein who did use WMD on his populace.
Commented: Sunday, September 13th, 2015 @ 8:38 am By: Bobby Tony
Your survey questions are a blatant attempt to demean our President who gave the order to kill Osamma. They got him when Bush could not do it. Instead he told the WMD lie and we went after Saddam Hussein!

All our military bases in the desert are on a line for a proposed oil pipeline to the Persian Gulf. While we were distracted with WMD lies the entire Ben Laden family was quietly jetted away by George W. Bush orders.

WHO GAVE THE STAND DOWN ORDER on 9/11 so that 4 hijacked commercial jets passed over the most air-forced part of this country going back to NYC and Washington DC? I personally know a 70's USAF pilot who intercepted and identified a single commercial jet with transponder off and coming in from the Atlantic --- before there was GPS guidance to all jets in our military . . . the diversion you do in this article is shameful, Stan!
Commented: Sunday, September 13th, 2015 @ 4:34 am By: Gene Scarborough
What's with the survey and it's strong words with which I find I can't really vote?

I would encourage you to post about the recent Green Beret now making money on a book and becoming a public speaker for hire. He is saying, "I shot ben Laden twice in the head and watched him take his last breath."

I have a couple of good friends, one was in Viet Nam as a SEAL, the other is more contemporary and cannot divulge what he did. Both these brave men who sneak out of the dark and killed with their bear hands are bound by the code of silence over National Security matters.

This is the REAL contemporary issue, although we should never forget 9/11. Just don't use it as a tool to bash the current President. If George Bush were so great, why did he double --- by Executive Order --- the time to sequester any National Security Matter? It is still quite a few years until we can open the Archives on the Assassination of JFK. What does "W" and his fellow Conservatives have to hide for so long? Surely, it could not be an investigation into the fumbling of Intel which allowed 9/11 to happen.

My question still is: "How did 4 clearly hijacked commercial jets overfly the most densely air-based parts of this nation and not one single interceptor practiced the Standing Order to bring them down with whatever means necessary?" The jets launched went far out over the Atlantic Ocean and far away from the hijacked jets.
Commented: Wednesday, November 19th, 2014 @ 9:27 am By: Gene Scarborough
It was a multi-generational Pearl Harbor, brought to us in real time, and if one does not gain some real perspective, well, there is no hope for them.

Thanks for you acknowledgement of what we both will never forget.
Commented: Thursday, September 11th, 2014 @ 11:53 pm By: Stan Deatherage
Thanks for another excellent perspective, Stan. I think we were one and the same that day emotionally. There was no room for anything other than total feelings of angst. Not only in NYC, but at the Pentagon and most people think it would have been at the White House if brave passengers had not taken their craft into hand in a valiant effort to survive.

What I remember most was the feeling of despair and angst. I had figured terrorists would find a way to sneak in an atomic device in parts and assemble it somewhere to do maximum damage. Instead, they took simple airplanes manufactured here and found a way to strike.

The airspace over the US was cleared for the first time in aviation history. Even crop dusters in Eastern NC were grounded. Any one of them could be used as an ariel bomb. I had seen footage of a giant radio control bomber with little jet engines or a kit-built composite amphibian which would likely not be very visible on radar. Now there is a pressurized version with a jet engine. The weapons of James Bond have become real and any one could be used to destroy.

In 13 years now, I still feel vulnerable. I am grateful we live far from the central things of Atlanta. Even Rocky Mount is a center for rail and communication for the eastern seaboard. We don't really have a clue what targets there might be outside the military bases within a 2 hour drive from us.

Like it of not, we ARE involved. I shall pray for you and Diane as we all 3 consider how this has impacted us and how it still does.

God help all mankind to, somehow, learn to co-exist on the little blue ball, 3rd rock from the sun.
Commented: Thursday, September 11th, 2014 @ 6:20 pm By: Gene Scarborough


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