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I was peacefully shopping at our local Wal-Mart. It is a joy to be in that particular store, although I normally hate the crowds at them elsewhere. In another town where I used to live there were 2 stores.

Stan---I can say honestly that we have different perspectives at times and are almost like twins at others! I appreciate the possibilities of far-and-wide readership as we take on the issues common to mankind.

They never really change. There is hate / there is love / all things in between. I advocate for love and forgiveness. I have had my share of enemies along the way who tried to do me great harm.

Thanks be to God, He has been with me every step of the way, my brother!!!
Commented: Saturday, August 9th, 2014 @ 7:19 pm By: Gene Scarborough
As you and I have discussed, and both agree, the Holy Spirit is slowly dying in our nation, and at quickened pace throughout the world.

I have also told you that BCN, as maybe the first 'Moderated Informational Platform', intends to be that platform to all well intended contributors, such as yourself, who wish to spread their discussion as far as they can, and as long as they as they are able. The word of our Lord is a fine word to spread, and I pray it will become a big part of our County NOWs.

BCN is Social, and can do much of what Facebook does, except we do not have their magnificent readership base; however ...

What we do that they can't, or won't do, and what we can do is: we are geocentric; we are moderated - no bragging about babies and pets on a daily basis; we can associate and delineate by categories and rather quickly by process; and we never take your post down, which Facebook does eventually. We, and your words, hope to exist for perpetuity ... to contribute a difference for our God's World, as long as it exists, as per His wishes.

BCN will endeavor to do what no one else does, no online newspapers, e-magazines, twitter or Facebook.

We have developed the technology and we intend to use it for the betterment of all.
Commented: Saturday, August 9th, 2014 @ 9:53 am By: Stan Deatherage
One thing I can say for sure, Stan ~~~ I am not paid clergy so I can do my best to tell it like I see it! People can't fire me from Social Security income / if a church asked me to be their Interim Pastor, I can leave at any time. No amount of money is worth lying if you know better!!!

"Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so."
Commented: Friday, August 8th, 2014 @ 4:07 pm By: Gene Scarborough
Thanks Gene,

You still serve a valuable purpose in this society, such as it is, and that is a wonderful thing.
Commented: Friday, August 8th, 2014 @ 11:15 am By: Stan Deatherage
Look, fellows --- I shoot a .270 BAR with a Sworski scope at 100 yards = 3 shots in a 3" circle. I can be deadly, if necessary.

Jesus used a whip (hurt but not deadly) and a towel to wash feet of Disciples vying for a special seat to his right at the Last Supper. In both cases, he got his message across with more love than hate!

I am doing a 3rd article on the "Biblical use of force" referred to me by John. I hope it will say some important things for us to consider in Beaufort County.
Commented: Friday, August 8th, 2014 @ 11:00 am By: Gene Scarborough
John, you are right.

Guns, especially rifles, are an American symbol of liberty. We have won so many wars because of our soldiers ability to aim small and shoot straight.

They learned this skill as young men and women, owning their own firearms, and knowing that the firearm is just another tool. A tool well intertwined in the history of this once great nation.
Commented: Friday, August 8th, 2014 @ 10:30 am By: Stan Deatherage
Your last comment sums up quite well what I make of it. Jesus was no coward, when the time was appropriate, He used violence in righteousness. Then, again when the time called for it, He was compassionate and spoke against unnecessary violence. The only complexity of the issue is when to use use violence righteously, and when to avoid it. If violence was immoral in and of itself, and the weapons of violence also, we would not have Law Enforcement, the Military, or any other defense against physical evil; so long as we desired to be moral people. The question is less "would Jesus carry a gun," and more "when would righteous men use a gun."
Commented: Friday, August 8th, 2014 @ 9:41 am By: John Latham
Sadly, guns will always be a necessity.

Evil is afoot in this world, and I will not shrink from the opportunity to defend myself, my family, my immediate community, my nation.
Commented: Thursday, August 7th, 2014 @ 10:36 am By: Stan Deatherage
John---I thank you for your observations. Jesus DID take a whip (which was non-lethal) and whip the mess out of Money-changers profiting from religion. A little later he took a towel and washed the feet of Disciples fighting and fussing among themselves over who would sit where relative to Jesus.

In both cases, he was "fully human." Anyone who wants to depict Christ as so Divine, he was different from us coping with a troubled world, does not know the Gospels very well---nor the real "spirit of Christ" with the guidance of the Holy Spirit he provides us with today.

It is a complex issue. I see not bright future in a society ruled by a gun in the hands of all. Peter cut off the ear of a Roman Soldier with his "lethal sword." Jesus didn't praise him in the least AND healed the ear severed from the man's head area!

What do you make of this??? I am open to any discussion and ideas by any reader, my friend.
Commented: Thursday, August 7th, 2014 @ 10:26 am By: Gene Scarborough
Gene, what you are trying to accomplish is shaming people into not defending themselves from harm by holding them to an impossible standard. Jesus did not have to "stoop" to carrying a gun (Thanks Mr. Deatherage, for joining the shaming) because He was the Son of God. The rest of us are mere mortals living in an evil world, in the world but not of it. I encourage you again to take a look at www.biblicalselfdefense.com.
Commented: Thursday, August 7th, 2014 @ 9:58 am By: John Latham
I have composed a second article on this subject. It will, hopefully, be up today or soon. This is a subject worthy of discussion ~~~ and more than my thoughts---which are still "in process."
Commented: Tuesday, July 29th, 2014 @ 10:37 am By: Gene Scarborough
search.tb.ask.com

Is the result of my Google query. The Gospel Parallels shows it to be the ONLY place Jesus is recorded to say this. The Nestle Greek Text has an alternate rendering of one manuscript.

I am studying it closely. You can, by the way get a T-shirt with it printed on the shirt --- IF anyone wants to get into "bumper-sticker" land.
Commented: Monday, July 28th, 2014 @ 5:20 pm By: Gene Scarborough
Thanks for all the comments thus far. I am doing some study on the origins and meaning of the Luke passage. It is more than strange when compared to Jesus stopping Peter from cutting off the soldier's ear and then healing it.

The other thing to consider is Jesus advocating forgiving enemies and loving them. How does this puzzle fit in. Jesus did with a whip what some folks might do with a gun if money changers are in the church and it has become another big business of sorts...

Keep up the good thinking and Bible reading, my friends.
Commented: Monday, July 28th, 2014 @ 1:52 pm By: Gene Scarborough
The Luke 22:36 He said to them, "But now if you have a purse ...
luke 22:36
Then said he to them, But now, he that has a purse, let him take it, and likewise his money: and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Commented: Monday, July 28th, 2014 @ 12:46 pm By: Ted McDonald
Jesus Christ would never stoop to carrying a gun, but ...

There will only be one man / deity of the immeasurable magnitude of essential goodness of our Lord and Savior.

We are imperfect humans, quite unlike Jesus Christ though we endeavor to emulate him, and we will always need protection from those that are evil.
Commented: Monday, July 28th, 2014 @ 10:56 am By: Stan Deatherage
Thankyou, Gene. I know we all, well most of us, want to live in a safe world where morality and reason guide the actions of young men, but that world does not exist. If our world today is The Wild West, with mothers hanging long-irons on their hips, it is the criminals that make it that way, not those who would protect themselves from crime.

An openly carried gun certainly gets attention, but that is the point. A concealed weapon may be used to protect oneself once a crime has been initiated, but an openly visible gun may prevent the crime entirely.

I think it's good that she kept a 'clean' appearance while carrying. This helps set a good impression of 'responsible gun owner' instead of 'gun rights nut militia-psycho.' When I see someone in torn jeans, with an untucked t-shirt spouting needlessly aggressive patriotism, and a scowl as mean as the handgun strapped into their 'tacti-cool' thigh holster, I immediately think 'Danger, hothead, avoid.' However, someone in slacks with a collared shirt, a clean haircut and a recently shaved or trimmed beard makes me think of them as law abiding and 'socially acceptable,' even with their gun in full view. Image matters a lot with open carry, I believe.

As for Jesus, I won't parse scripture, but He did command his apostles to arm themselves. Why would he do that if he believed that defense wasn't necessary? He argues against Paul's cutting off the Roman soldier's ear because He knew that what was going to happen had to happen. Paul acted when he should have accepted.

Check out www.biblicalselfdefense.com where people far wiser than I explain the Biblical foundations of personal self defense.
Commented: Monday, July 28th, 2014 @ 10:29 am By: John Latham
Thanks, John, for a thoughtful response. I wanted so bad to ask, but I never saw her again. I have talked with another man coming out of the Men's Room who says he and some friends "carry" to church!

I hope a few more will give such thoughtful answers about Jesus and a carry permit as it applies to Beaufort County.
Commented: Monday, July 28th, 2014 @ 8:32 am By: Gene Scarborough
If you're going to fish for attention, use fatter worms. Fine, I'll bite.

Why would she carry a gun in a place that you felt safe? We'll never know because you never asked her. Did her gun scare you off? Did it intimidate you? I would imagine it would intimidate her violent ex-husband too. It would probably intimidate a rapist on the prowl for easy prey, too. It may even scare off a two-bit thug to whom $20 is worth an armed robbery.

Where does crime happen? It only happens in one place, planet Earth. Who does crime happen to? Only to human beings. You may feel safe in your favorite Wal-Mart, and that's great, but you never asked her why she might not feel safe there. You never asked her if she was the victim of rape, domestic abuse, robberies, or had been stalked by a coworker. You never asked her if she could dial 911 and get police protection in the short span of time it would take a violent man hiding in a rest room to hold her down and sexually assault her.

Why would she bring her child there if she felt so unsafe? Maybe because leaving him at home by himself is even less safe? Maybe because good moms don't leave tiny children at home alone? Maybe home is a bad neighborhood?

What does Jesus have to do with it? You imply that her possession of a gun is immoral by asking What Would Jesus Do, but you fail to mention just what immoral sin she has committed. After her husband beats her, should she turn the other cheek and ask to be hit again? When a teenager who grew up violent and fatherless holds a knife to her child and demands money for the child's life, should she pity the teenager and give her cell phone and earrings too? While being raped, is it okay to jam her fingers into her assailant's eyes, or would that make the whole world blind?

These dark and speculative evils may not have happened to anyone at your favorite Wal-Mart, they may not have happened to you, but I assure you they happen. They happen in America, in North Carolina, in Beaufort County. Evil exists, even if you want to feel safe and comfortable, it exists. You have no moral ground to say that this woman did anything wrong by protecting herself from evil.
Commented: Monday, July 28th, 2014 @ 6:10 am By: John Latham
Here it is, Sunday evening, almost 9. I guess the folks with pistols holstered are still at Evening Worship!
Commented: Sunday, July 27th, 2014 @ 8:52 pm By: Gene Scarborough
Just checking at 1 a.m. --- no takers yet, I see.
Commented: Sunday, July 27th, 2014 @ 1:03 am By: Gene Scarborough
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