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I am waiting for my follow up post on this. It contains 2 fine emails I have received by thinking religious friends and more comments from me . . .
Commented: Wednesday, June 3rd, 2015 @ 10:05 am
By: Gene Scarborough
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Carny, poor editing on my part. Must have had Ralph on my mind. Yo Ralph!
It gets hot down in his sewer and Ipad does not know what I'm trying to say.
Commented: Monday, June 1st, 2015 @ 4:38 pm
By: Bobby Tony
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I have submitted a more honest response to my post so it will be up soon, Mr. Carney!
Commented: Monday, June 1st, 2015 @ 4:26 pm
By: Gene Scarborough
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Freaking A. Bobby Tony.
Commented: Monday, June 1st, 2015 @ 1:51 pm
By: Stan Deatherage
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Oh come-on now. Every Carney needs a “Barker” to sell the “Ballyhoo” to the crowd to get them inside the big tent. His job is to build the Tip” (crowd) with stories of the 10-in-1 acts all for the price of one. Once the Barker has “cleared the Midway” he moves on with the “slammer close”
Hurry, Hurry folks, we got a big show inside and we do not have room for you all due to the strict fire regulations of this town. Buy your ticket now while they last. If you cannot get in this show, take you ticket and go down to the back lot and try to win your sweetie a teddy bear. You will be amazed, you will be astounded, you will be mesmerized; you will go home and tell your neighbors. Now gather up and get you tickets, all we ask if for a small pittance to cover the enormous cost of maintain this high-end entertainment. Lookout you little folks in front here, we do not want anyone to get trampled by the crowd. Move along now, we have plenty of room in the big tent. Without the barker there would be no show. Please spell my name right. That's Bobby Tony and I will be here all week. Move along now, move along.
Commented: Monday, June 1st, 2015 @ 1:30 pm
By: Bobby Tony
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"Call the Question" is out of order until sufficient discussion has taken place, my friend. So far most of this stream of comments has been over baseball more than religious principles and Baptist History of recent years . . .
Commented: Monday, June 1st, 2015 @ 11:23 am
By: Gene Scarborough
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For my Christian beliefs, there are no politics in Heaven, only in Hell.
Politics is of man's construct, principles are of God's. I suggest that principles should reign in this World, as I pray they will govern the great beyond.
Commented: Monday, June 1st, 2015 @ 9:33 am
By: Stan Deatherage
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A business phrase is CALL THE QUESTION which means end the discussion and make a decision. I hereby CALL THE QUESTION and ask, "What do you believe?"
Heaven is not based on Liberal or Moderate so what is the answer? Last time I will ask.
Commented: Monday, June 1st, 2015 @ 8:08 am
By: Ted McDonald
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Thanks, Ted, for the layman's view of Conservative Baptist beliefs. They are totally accurate and wise, in my view. Were I to ever preach anything else, my church would call a business meeting within a week and take me to task over "heresy."
We have talked theology and church polity in your already published Preacher Questions. I did my best and it is far too large to review here in any answer. My purpose in the article was to state clearly what I wrote and believe. I has started a big response already. You, Bobby Tony, and Stan have said much. The majority has been somewhat frivolous to this point, but within it is good discussion. I will be following up with some good stuff I got overnight from thinking religious friends who see my point and have emailed me since with some good stuff.
Commented: Monday, June 1st, 2015 @ 7:58 am
By: Gene Scarborough
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Thanks Ted. I need to work on that simplfly and just the facts ma'am approach..
Commented: Monday, June 1st, 2015 @ 7:52 am
By: Bobby Tony
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My layman's definition: A Conservative Baptists believes in the Virgin Birth and that the Bible is sufficient for instruction. Jesus lived a sinless life exchanged on the cross for our sins. I am a Moderate and believe in One God who can do what he pleases and the Bible is sufficient. No concern with details. What do you believe?
Commented: Monday, June 1st, 2015 @ 7:38 am
By: Ted McDonald
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Ted's other observation worthy of response: "I will help kick start by saying the NC Snake Handlers prove their faith. I would like concrete definitions not abstract.
Actions and not words alone." The Baptists of NC were drawn together over the simple question of whether your church gave to the Southern Baptist Mission Program or not. With that one concept of unity Southern Baptists who handled snakes (usually in mountain churches) could join with the others who were robbed and formal in big First Baptist churches across the state. Whether your members were from the Mill Village or Country Club, you enjoyed the annual meeting at Winston-Salem or Greensboro coliseums. Since the split, the NCBSC has had to move to the much smaller Forum at the Four Seasons Hotel in Greensboro. The more their Executive Committee presents stuff for the rubber stamp of the messengers, the small the attendance has become. Pretty soon they can save big bucks with their lessening gifts by meeting in the Men's Room at Baptist Headquarters in Cary! 
Commented: Monday, June 1st, 2015 @ 7:30 am
By: Gene Scarborough
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Ted's question: What is the definition of a religious conservative?
Gene's answer: It depends on whether you are talking of "good" or "bad" with "conservative" attached. They definitely come in 2 varieties. Good Conservative is what I try to be. It means informed on all sides of any theological or biblical issue and willing to speak the truth in love. Having an ability to rightly divide the Word of Truth from the Bible. Bad Conservative is those who call widening your understanding of the Bible and religion as only "liberal." I had many classmates at Southeastern Seminary who were there to get the credential of Master of Divinity without changing their minds over their Sunday School Traditional Baptist upbringing. Instead of admitting, "I don't know it all," they insisted that anything other than their prejudices and presuppositions was "of the devil." They still insist our SEBTS of 1967-70 was "liberal." I found it to be middle-of-the-road in the continuum of liberal/conservative. Most of them are adding some 20' to the bench to accommodate their kind of conservatism. They made connections with their "birds of a feather" and now flock together in the NC Baptist State Convention. My kind of Baptist now enjoys the real fellowship and mission spirit of the NC Cooperative Baptist Fellowship.
Commented: Monday, June 1st, 2015 @ 7:15 am
By: Gene Scarborough
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It is a new day and a new chance to uncover new territory.
More than a paragraph on beliefs. If you will just look at my new personal Icon, you can see that I am trying to see both sides of the issue. All right, let us look at the subject as a serious discussion. I have tried to distill your post into the following key points. "Is the Bible literal, figurative, or just a stupid book written by pre-scientific mankind”? BOBBY TONY Says: The bible is a written account of history that has been passed down first by verbal retelling, then in written form and now in translated into many languages so that it is accessible to many. Since all this was done by man, it is possible that there is some variations in the retelling of the story. “Did God dictate the King James Version or is it a result of the English King breaking with the Papal control of Europe”? BOBBY TONY Says: See above. “Do you worship the Bible as a thing like the golden calf of Israel -- or is it a reliable guide to religious understanding”? BOBBY TONY Says: The bible is the instrument by which believers gain understanding of their beliefs. It is testimony to the faith required to follow a belief that cannot be proven or disproven by the actions of mankind. “You don't change a prejudiced mind with constant argument. You simply ask questions in an attempt to arrive at a consistent TRUTH. Real TRUTH is ever-changing as you learn more things”. BOBBY TONY Says: Real Truth is not ever changing, it is truth. Our perception of it may be ever changing but trying to arrive at a consensus with constant questions may be a technique in debates, but it does not led to the truth from two opposing prejudiced minds. BOBBY TONY FURTHER SAYS: The entire premise of religion is based on faith and belief. If someone has faith in what they believe, no amount of discussion can shake their belief unless you challenge their faith. If you are successful in undermining their faith you may be able to change their belief, but that does not guarantee that either of you have reached the truth. (that is a tough one to follow but reread it a couple of times and hopefully it will reinforce my idea that Faith & Belief are two sides of same coin and almost interchangeable). Humans often need to see, to touch, to feel and to test to arrive at a what they perceive as the truth. In the past you have railed against the BCN polls as being lopsided. Re-read your questions and see if you agree that the question begets your proposed answer. Just state it outright, it is okay. Excuse me for using a non-footnoted and unproven statement. John 20:29 ---Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Commented: Monday, June 1st, 2015 @ 5:36 am
By: Bobby Tony
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Does that mean that you are finally going to answer Ted McD's three pending questions? Then the real discussion can begin. The Socrates thing wears thin.
Stan and I need a definition of Religious Moderate. Let's start with the average guy. Maybe one paragraph in English Sooner or later you have to state what you believe OK GS. What is the definition of a religious conservative?
Commented: Sunday, May 31st, 2015 @ 8:46 pm
By: Bobby Tony
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I am trying to figure out what you guys are spending so much comment time on!
I am a lefty and throw a wicked curve ball to a right-handed batter. I bat right-handed so figure it out. If I hit the ball without a pitch, I am a left-handed hitter. I golf right-handed and give any opponent the opportunity to beat me because no matter how bad he does --- I will have 1 stroke more! I am probably the only graduate of Emory who became a Tree Surgeon rather than a medical specialist, but I enjoyed Psychology / Baptist ministry / Insurance Agent voted the "Underwriter of the Year" award by the Rocky Mount Association / opened and operated Affordable-Professional Tree Surgeons in 1999 with insurance fellow professionals saying, "I wish I had the guts to get out of this paperwork and BS." I hold a Series 6 Securities License which means in essence: "Tell the truth, whole truth, nothing but the truth to your client." I am ready to retire for the night after enjoying a day with my daughter and 3 grandsons along with my wife since 1968. Perhaps the overnight will produce some thoughts worthy of printing concerning the CONTENT OF MY POST. . . Thus far is yell "BULLSHIT" on your hands . . .
Commented: Sunday, May 31st, 2015 @ 7:12 pm
By: Gene Scarborough
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OK GS. What is the definition of a religious conservative?
Commented: Sunday, May 31st, 2015 @ 6:52 pm
By: Ted McDonald
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GS and I produced a PDF eBook last year about 10 Questions for Protestants. It is somewhat similar to the 300 Questions for Catholics. Although I do not always follow the logic, I do know how to stack PDFs into a book. I hope GS posts a number of articles that can become a PDF book. How serious is that?
Commented: Sunday, May 31st, 2015 @ 6:03 pm
By: Ted McDonald
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Ted McD. If you send me some money I will send you the taped version of this exchange. The number to call is BR549.
Commented: Sunday, May 31st, 2015 @ 6:01 pm
By: Bobby Tony
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I'm all for that. Now to get Gene on board. We already have Bobby Tony.
Commented: Sunday, May 31st, 2015 @ 5:56 pm
By: Stan Deatherage
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Stan: You need to find Gene some Seminary Professors to comment.
I am not joking. I do not understand deep religious conversations. And honestly, I do not understand deep political conversations. I am impressed with what ever Bobby Tony said. I forget and don't want to re read.
Commented: Sunday, May 31st, 2015 @ 5:44 pm
By: Ted McDonald
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I thought we were talking about snake handlers.
Commented: Sunday, May 31st, 2015 @ 5:35 pm
By: Stan Deatherage
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I think we should stop piling on. We were talking about baseball.
Commented: Sunday, May 31st, 2015 @ 5:34 pm
By: Bobby Tony
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