My Time Being a Religious Conservative | Eastern North Carolina Now

    Many readers may have thought that Stan is right---I am a "LIBERAL." I am critical about the conservative takeover of the Southern Baptist Convention. They assume I have been against anything conservative from the beginning.

    You would be dead wrong on that assumption!

    I was reared a Southern Baptist preacher's son. My father came out of the Moon's Grove Baptist Church near Danielsville, GA. That is in the vicinity of Athens. He was a faithful Baptist boy who was in church every Sunday. He felt his call to preach while plowing a mule and meditating in the cotton field. His was the kind of church where they shouted and sang hymns of tradition. "Are You Washed in the Blood of the Lamb, There is Power in the Blood, Amazing Grace, In The Cross," are but a few of the traditional songs with people shedding tears as they sung.

    Daddy bowed behind that mule and knelt in the fresh dirt to promise God he would answer the call to preach. The next Sunday he went to church and walked down to the front during the Invitation hymn. He whispered in the ear of the sweating preacher who had yelled his way through the sermon, "God has called me to preach and I must go to Mercer for education." Immediately the church ladies came by and begged him, "Claude, don't you go over there to that thar school. They will ruin you!!! Edgycashun keeps God from using you!!!"

    My father had the good fortune of a teacher in high school that encouraged critical thinking. He arrived at Mercer in a time of great religious debate over the Second Coming. You had to be pre-millennial / post-millennial / a-millennial. There were no positions except the firm position of the 3 mentioned. I will not bore you with detailed analysis. You can Google them if you care to. Another debate of that day is the same as today: "Is the Bible literal, figurative, or just a stupid book written by pre-scientific mankind? Did God dictate the King James Version or is it a result of the English King breaking with the Papal control of Europe? Do you worship the Bible as a thing like the golden calf of Israel -- or is it a reliable guide to religious understanding?"

    My father quickly earned the nickname of "Socrates." His method was the same as the great Greek philosopher: ask questions. Rather than debate a fool, simply ask him questions until his line of reasoning either runs out or he is forced to consider more things than before! You don't change a prejudiced mind with constant argument. You simply ask questions in an attempt to arrive at a consistent TRUTH. Real TRUTH is ever-changing as you learn more things.

    My father started with a debate between majoring in law or theology. His first class was in law and he had bought his books. His real desire was to help people, no matter his profession. He was startled by the outstanding professor of law. Mercer was the top Georgia school in both specialties then as it is now.

    The Professor came in and laid his stack of law books on the big desk. He went to the blackboard and told the students, "I am going to first tell you how become a successful lawyer." With that he went to the big blackboard and wrote:

       1. Get your retainer!

       2. Get your retainer!

       3. Same as 1 and 2!

    My wise father quickly surmised: Law is about money more than helping clients. He went to the Bookstore and traded his law books for the ones in the theology course!

    He loved to debate, as do I. One of his favorite college stories was over the book of Revelation being literal or figurative. His "so intelligent" rival was pontificating that Revelation was, as with the entire Bible, LITERAL. The particular passage was a "woman sitting on the 7 hills of Rome." If it were literal, then a single woman was somehow able to sit on 7 hills at the same time. If it were figurative, it was referring to the 7 Christian churches in Rome, each perched on one of the hills. As his opponent continued to insist on the passage being literal, my father made this astute observation to him: "Either that is a woman with a hell of a seating capacity or it is a figurative description of the churches---which do you, choose? She could only be sitting on 7 ant hills and that would be a quick disaster of ants covering her body!" With that he left the debate having a smile on his face.

    My father was always a good Conservative. He knew the difference between "that which is essential" --- and becoming "so liberal you throw out the baby with the bathwater." A wise person refuses to become a modern day fool over too much and too hard traditionalism. It is the basic difference between being PROGRESSIVE and becoming REGRESSIVE. The Bible always has a primitive world view of earth as the center of the solar system. It was a square body of land with water beneath and sky above. If you sailed out of sight of land, you could fall off!

    From that beginning and training I ventured to Emory as a pre-med major. When I hit chemistry and heard the horror stories of Organic Chemistry, I decided to check out Psychology. I had done a senior term paper on Parapsychology. Dr. J.B. Rhine of Duke University was the first person to develop tests to prove or disprove its existence. That was a mix of spirituality and science. Dr. Rhine told stories of how spiritual things happened over space and time. His objective tests involved cards with symbols on them. On each side of a blind screen 2 students were asked to transfer their thoughts about the symbols from sender to receiver. Those tests gave a statistically significant number of sends defying the odds to an 80-90% level! I had hoped to go from Emory to Duke and, possibly encounter Dr. Rhine --- but God had a different track for me to follow.

    I will tell you more later, but with applications in to Psychology Graduate School I felt my call to ministry! I went to the front of my church. That fall I was at Southeastern Seminary in Wake Forest, NC.

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Most people, who are engaged with some sense of reality, have political opinions. What would you self-identify yourself as?
6.61%   Liberal
7.44%   Moderate
59.5%   Conservative
26.45%   Libertarian
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( June 3rd, 2015 @ 10:05 am )
 
I am waiting for my follow up post on this. It contains 2 fine emails I have received by thinking religious friends and more comments from me . . .
( June 1st, 2015 @ 4:38 pm )
 
Carny, poor editing on my part. Must have had Ralph on my mind. Yo Ralph!
It gets hot down in his sewer and Ipad does not know what I'm trying to say.
( June 1st, 2015 @ 4:26 pm )
 
I have submitted a more honest response to my post so it will be up soon, Mr. Carney!
( June 1st, 2015 @ 1:51 pm )
 
Freaking A. Bobby Tony.
( June 1st, 2015 @ 1:30 pm )
 
Oh come-on now. Every Carney needs a “Barker” to sell the “Ballyhoo” to the crowd to get them inside the big tent. His job is to build the Tip” (crowd) with stories of the 10-in-1 acts all for the price of one. Once the Barker has “cleared the Midway” he moves on with the “slammer close”
Hurry, Hurry folks, we got a big show inside and we do not have room for you all due to the strict fire regulations of this town. Buy your ticket now while they last. If you cannot get in this show, take you ticket and go down to the back lot and try to win your sweetie a teddy bear.
You will be amazed, you will be astounded, you will be mesmerized; you will go home and tell your neighbors. Now gather up and get you tickets, all we ask if for a small pittance to cover the enormous cost of maintain this high-end entertainment. Lookout you little folks in front here, we do not want anyone to get trampled by the crowd. Move along now, we have plenty of room in the big tent.
Without the barker there would be no show.
Please spell my name right. That's Bobby Tony and I will be here all week.

Move along now, move along.
( June 1st, 2015 @ 11:23 am )
 
"Call the Question" is out of order until sufficient discussion has taken place, my friend. So far most of this stream of comments has been over baseball more than religious principles and Baptist History of recent years . . .
( June 1st, 2015 @ 9:33 am )
 
For my Christian beliefs, there are no politics in Heaven, only in Hell.

Politics is of man's construct, principles are of God's. I suggest that principles should reign in this World, as I pray they will govern the great beyond.
( June 1st, 2015 @ 8:08 am )
 
A business phrase is CALL THE QUESTION which means end the discussion and make a decision. I hereby CALL THE QUESTION and ask, "What do you believe?"
Heaven is not based on Liberal or Moderate so what is the answer?
Last time I will ask.
( June 1st, 2015 @ 7:58 am )
 
Thanks, Ted, for the layman's view of Conservative Baptist beliefs. They are totally accurate and wise, in my view. Were I to ever preach anything else, my church would call a business meeting within a week and take me to task over "heresy."

We have talked theology and church polity in your already published Preacher Questions. I did my best and it is far too large to review here in any answer.

My purpose in the article was to state clearly what I wrote and believe. I has started a big response already. You, Bobby Tony, and Stan have said much. The majority has been somewhat frivolous to this point, but within it is good discussion.

I will be following up with some good stuff I got overnight from thinking religious friends who see my point and have emailed me since with some good stuff.
( June 1st, 2015 @ 7:52 am )
 
Thanks Ted. I need to work on that simplfly and just the facts ma'am approach..
( June 1st, 2015 @ 7:38 am )
 
My layman's definition: A Conservative Baptists believes in the Virgin Birth and that the Bible is sufficient for instruction. Jesus lived a sinless life exchanged on the cross for our sins. I am a Moderate and believe in One God who can do what he pleases and the Bible is sufficient. No concern with details. What do you believe?
( June 1st, 2015 @ 7:30 am )
 
Ted's other observation worthy of response: "I will help kick start by saying the NC Snake Handlers prove their faith. I would like concrete definitions not abstract.
Actions and not words alone."

The Baptists of NC were drawn together over the simple question of whether your church gave to the Southern Baptist Mission Program or not. With that one concept of unity Southern Baptists who handled snakes (usually in mountain churches) could join with the others who were robbed and formal in big First Baptist churches across the state. Whether your members were from the Mill Village or Country Club, you enjoyed the annual meeting at Winston-Salem or Greensboro coliseums.

Since the split, the NCBSC has had to move to the much smaller Forum at the Four Seasons Hotel in Greensboro. The more their Executive Committee presents stuff for the rubber stamp of the messengers, the small the attendance has become.

Pretty soon they can save big bucks with their lessening gifts by meeting in the Men's Room at Baptist Headquarters in Cary!
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