Germany's traditional conservative CDU splits - new conservative party forming | Eastern North Carolina Now

The swing to the right among German voters has led to the split of the traditional conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU).  The CDU has moved rightward on many issues including immigration since Merkel left office, but not far enough for the party's most conservative wing, the well organized Values Union.  They are still miffed by the CDU not moving even farther on immigration and the CDU's continued reluctance to work with the populist / nationalist right AfD.  The Values Union was organized in 2017 among CDU members opposed to Merkel's more liberal policies.

Meeting in Erfurt, the Values Union has overwhelmingly voted to split from the CDU and form a new political party of the right, which will take very strong stands against illegal immigration.  The Values Union is led by Hans-Georg Maassen, former head of Germany's domestic intelligence service, who was drummed out of that service for his outspoken opposition to illegal immigration.  Maassen said the party will be organized quickly so that it can participate in elections in three German states that are voting this year, and will be open to cooperating with the AfD.

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Big Bob said:
( January 24th, 2024 @ 7:45 am )
Can I get you a juice box?
Big Bob said:
( January 24th, 2024 @ 7:06 am )
If it comforts you to think that, then by all means.
( January 23rd, 2024 @ 9:35 pm )
No, Bolshevik Bob, it is more a function of you being "woke". "Woke" is extreme left by any measure.
Big Bob said:
( January 23rd, 2024 @ 5:50 pm )
That's more a function of the BO. MAGA is extreme right by any measure.
( January 23rd, 2024 @ 2:11 pm )
Bolshevik Bob, your posts reveal you ARE far left. If you think your positions are "centrist" you are delusional.
Big Bob said:
( January 22nd, 2024 @ 9:08 pm )
To do so would be illegal.

I will add, I neither support the far left, or the far right. Extremists on either side tend to be selfish and at times violent.
Politically I prefer the middle of the road. Some of you characterize me as far left, but I'm more of a centrist.
( January 22nd, 2024 @ 4:41 pm )
German conservatives are simply not doing those things you mention, Bob, because the National Socialists (Nazis) and German conservatives have never been on the same page. They were at odds in the Weimar Republic and during the Hitler dictatorship, and modern German conservatives do not have any more use for Hitler or the National Socialists than they did when the National Socialists had a massive political presence in the country.

A good example is how the Nazis treated one of the leading symbols of traditional German conservatism, Kaiser Wilhelm II, who was in exile in Holland at Doorn House when the Nazis invaded that country. While he had been at liberty under the Dutch to move around, the Nazis placed him under house arrest under armed guard, and the old kaiser died at Doorn House as a political prisoner of the Nazis during the war. He did not want the Nazis to be able to use him in death for any of their political purposes so he directed in his will that his body was not to be returned to Germany until the monarchy was restored and the Nazis gone. His body remains in the private chapel at Doorn House. House arrest in a nice mansion was better than some of the leaders of the conservative political parties got, as many of them ended up in concentration camps.

The modern far left has a lot more in common with the Nazis than conservatives did or do.
Big Bob said:
( January 22nd, 2024 @ 1:59 pm )
And yet:
The German penal code prohibits publicly denying the Holocaust and disseminating Nazi propaganda, both off- and online. This includes sharing images such as swastikas, wearing an SS uniform and making statements in support of Hitler.
( January 22nd, 2024 @ 9:09 am )
Like most extreme leftists, you are ignorant of history, Bob. Traditional conservatives were at loggerheads with the National Socialist German Peoples Party, the formal name of the Nazis. The last effort to stop the Nazis that might have worked was in 1932 under Chancellor Brunning of the Catholic Center Party where a plan was worked out with the two conservative monarchist parties, the German National Peoples Party and the German Peoples Party to restore the Hohenzollern monarchy in order to stop Hitler. That plan fell apart when the German National Peoples Party insisted on bringing back Wilhelm II while the others wanted to restore the monarchy under his grandson. When the Nazis came to power, both of those two conservative parties were banned along with other traditional conservative parties like the Bavarian Peoples Party and the Peoples Conservative Reich Union. If the von Stauffenberg plot to blow up Hitler at the Wolf's Lair had succeeded, the plotters intended to restore the Hohenzollern monarchy under Prince Louis Ferdinand, the grandson of Wilhelm II. Fascism is more akin to socialism than it is to any true branch of conservatism which is why the Nazis had the term "socialist" in their party name.

In contemporary Germany, it is the parties of the left who are more prone to Nazi-like behavior like limiting free speech.
Big Bob said:
( January 22nd, 2024 @ 6:40 am )
I thought the Nazi party was outlawed in Germany?

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