1/4 of Americans know someone who died from Covid vaccine: poll | Eastern North Carolina Now

and a quarter of Americans say Covid vax is unsafe


A new poll by the liberal Annenberg Center for Public Policy has found that 24% of Americans personally know someone who died from the Covid vaccine injections.  7% are not sure.  A similar 24% say the Covid vaccine is unsafe, up from 18% in August 2022.

This comes as Florida's Surgeon General has advised against taking the Covid vaccine boosters for safety reasons.


Meanwhile, a new report shows a revolving door between the Food and Drug Administration and Big Pharma, with 50% of FDA employees leaving to take better paying jobs at Big Pharma.  This creates a perverse incentive to do Big Pharma's bidding in approval of new drugs.  In fact, it also found that two of the key FDA staff involved in approving Moderna's Covid vaccine went on to take jobs at Moderna with six figure salaries within weeks of approving the Covid jab.


This comes as the world's largest single-center study on use of hydroxychloroquine to treat Covid conducted by researchers from a French University showed very significant benefits to patients from that treatment, providing a large reduction in the Covid death rate.  The study involved over 30,000 patients treated both in-patient and out-patient at a hospital in Marseille, France, including 23,000 who received that treatment and 7,000 who did not.  The death rate for those receiving the treatment was 0.8% compared to 4.8% of those who did not receive it, with those patients over 55 receiving even higher benefit.



Big Pharma was dead set against using this very cheap drug because there was not much money for them to make off of it.

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( November 6th, 2023 @ 1:31 pm )
Thanks Big Bob, but ... Are you an idiot politician behind that alias?

You did answer somewhat facetiously "We love you too."
Big Bob said:
( November 6th, 2023 @ 12:53 pm )
We love you too.
( November 6th, 2023 @ 9:14 am )
No problem Big Bob: I learned to "live" and work with idiot politicians decades ago.

It still does not diminish the fact that they are idiots, and more now than in the past, I realize just how utterly useless they are ... and that is me being kind in respect to this manner of my current lexicon.
Big Bob said:
( November 6th, 2023 @ 8:59 am )
Stan, You can hold out hope for anything you want. however you must live with election results
SR, I'm the one suggesting you get medical advice from a doctor. If that is to woke for you, then you are walking talking proof that evolution is real.
( November 6th, 2023 @ 6:44 am )
You have such tunnel vision, Bob. If it is not part of the extreme left's political narrative, you reject it. The big takeaway from Covid is that the lockdown hurt us at least as much as the virus, and the lockdown was all politics. Another takeaway from studies since most of the Covid virus has passed us, is that the mRNA vaccines did not do much good and did more harm than expected. Moderna admits that their jab is "gene therapy" rather than a vaccine, but they did not publicize that to those getting the jab. It is up to each of us to get informed and weigh the risk versus the benefits. When I did, I drove an extra 50 miles each way to get the J&J vaccine, which my research told me was safer than the two mRNA jabs.

We should applaud the work of Rep. Kidwell in our state to get the law changed so a governor like Cooper can no longer singlehandedly impose a lockdown on our state. Other states have also done the same.

The Covid response is a good example of Eisenhower's warning that we should not have scientists making government policy. That was in his farewell speech immediately after his more famous comments about the "military-industrial complex".
( November 6th, 2023 @ 4:35 am )
Big Bob: So, if you wish to declare those that vote for corrupt idiots to be likewise inclined, I will not disabuse your of the right to do so here.

I, on the other hand, hold out hope for the electorate-at-large's transformation into a more thoughtful class of citizen.
Big Bob said:
( November 5th, 2023 @ 9:50 pm )
Voters are responsible. We vote. Politicians live with outcome. It's pretty simple.
( November 5th, 2023 @ 8:41 pm )
Big Bob: I declared Biden and his henchmen corrupt idiots, and you express that the voters are responsible.

Well Big Bob, you are about half right on that. The other half are my people just like me, and I would wager that this half most like me - "MAGA Extremists all" - have grown a bit in number.

Ever the optimist I am in regarding my fellow folk for I have long know that through knowledge and time good people may transform into better citizens. This is the better side of me, and I hope to thank these good People, in advance, for the anticipated success the 2024 election for helping me reach my best self.
Big Bob said:
( November 5th, 2023 @ 6:05 pm )
I think you did, Stan The voters, voted. You don’t like what they voted for. That’s your right, but call them dumb at your own peril.
SR, you are so down a rabbit hole i feel kinda bad. Get the vaccine or don’t. I’m just reminding people it’s better to medical advice from someone other than you. You are just not qualified to be giving such advice.
( November 5th, 2023 @ 5:56 pm )
What really injected politics into Covid response was the change at the World Health Organization (WHO). The director of WHO during the Covid era was Tedros of Ethiopea, the first non-physician to head the WHO ever. Throughout its previous history, all directors had been physicians but Tedros was a politician and bureaucrat. He liked to call himself "Dr. Tedros" but that degree was an academic PhD (public administration or political science or the like) not a medical MD. Politicking by Communist China won the position for Tedros over a much better qualified British physician.

When it was led by professional medical people, WHO had devised a pandemic emergency plan that relied on herd immunity, but after Communist China adopted the lockdown strategy, their WHO apparatchik Tedros followed suit and junked the well prepared herd immunity strategy. That was all about politics, not about science or medicine. The few places that stuck to the original WHO plan of herd immunity, like Sweden, did much better on battling Covid than those who followed the new WHO Chinese lockdown plan.

The first western country to fall for the lockdown plan was the UK, and that was all politics, too. The best epidemiology and viroloty minds in the country from Oxford and Cambridge proposed a herd immunity plan and that is the way the government was headed until a lesser light from Imperial College London used a PR campaign with blatant scare tactics delivered through the media to stampede the government to move to a lockdown strategy instead.

Fauci just followed in their footsteps.
( November 5th, 2023 @ 3:51 pm )
Are you talking to me Big Bob, because I did not call the "voters" dumb? I did, however, say, "the Non Patriot Left used Covid to elect the stupidest, most incompetent, the most corrupt president in United States history, including the most incompetent cabinet, and the most corrupt bureaucratic agencies - DO(in)J and FBI in the history of our Republic."

By the US of A being a Representative Republic: Are implying that because "the Non Patriot Left used Covid to elect the stupidest, most incompetent, the most corrupt president in United States history," that these voters are of similar character as well?

Wait just a minute Big Bob: Did you not also imply you were done with this thread?
Big Bob said:
( November 5th, 2023 @ 2:44 pm )
You mean the American people. Last time I checked, the American people vote in our elections. Never a good idea for a politician to call the voters dumb.
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