Greenville, Pitt County school board defend red-light cameras at NC Supreme Court | Eastern North Carolina Now

    Publisher's Note: This post appears here courtesy of the Carolina Journal. The author of this post is CJ Staff.

    Greenville and the Pitt County school board urged the N.C. Supreme Court Wednesday to overturn a lower court ruling that threw out the city's red-light camera enforcement program.

    Greenville ended the program last November, eight months after the N.C. Court of Appeals ruled the program unconstitutional.

    The state Supreme Court blocked the Appeals Court's ruling shortly after it was issued in March 2022. But the high court waited roughly a year to respond to the city's request to take up the case. The high court agreed in April to consider Fearrington v. City of Greenville.

    A unanimous three-judge Appeals Court panel determined that Greenville failed to send enough proceeds from its red-light citations to Pitt County schools. Pitt schools netted about 72% of the proceeds. Appellate judges ruled that the schools' share from the red-light camera enforcement program would need to top 90% to meet state constitutional standards.

    "[W]e hold that the funding framework of the RLCEP violates the Fines and Forfeitures Clause contained in Article IX, Section 7 of our State Constitution," wrote Judge Jefferson Griffin.

    Greenville's latest brief disputed the Appeals Court's reasoning. "This holding was in error, as the panel misconstrued and improperly invalidated the City and the Board's independent and legislatively authorized cost-sharing arrangement," wrote the city's lawyers.

    State lawmakers endorsed the funding arrangement between Greenville and the Pitt school board, according to the city's brief. "The Interlocal Agreement is also specifically authorized by the General Assembly through S.L 2016-64, which provides that the Interlocal Agreement 'may include provisions on cost-sharing and reimbursement that the Pitt County Board of Education and the City of Greenville freely and voluntarily agree to for the purpose of effectuating the provisions of G.S. 160A-300.1 and this Act.'"

    The requirement that local schools receive "clear proceeds" from red-light citations doesn't equate to a 90% share, Greenville's lawyers argued. "The term 'clear proceeds' does not mean all monies collected from a civil penalty," according to the brief. "Rather, it means net proceeds, that is, the proceeds left after the cost of collection are deducted."

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    In a separate brief, the Pitt County Board of Education also defended the funding arrangement. Pitt school leaders rejected legal arguments from plaintiffs who challenge the red-light camera program.

    "In every Article IX, Section 7 case this Court has decided before today, the injured party (i.e., the entity that ultimately is going to benefit from enforcing the Fines and Forfeitures Clause) is the public schools. But Plaintiffs seek to convert this protection instituted by the framers of our Constitution into a benefit for themselves," the Pitt school board's lawyers wrote.

    "Their argument - that the Board may not voluntarily enter an inter-local agreement that increases revenue for the Board - would twist the meaning of the Fines and Forfeitures Clause from one that protects resources for schools into one that restricts the ability of local governments to increase school funds," according to the brief. "And, as Plaintiffs further argue, if the local governments fail to comply with these restrictions on their ability to raise funds, the result is that the funds must be returned to those who paid them."

    "Nothing could be further from what the Fines and Forfeitures Clause plainly says or what the Framers of the North Carolina Constitution intended."

    Greenville is pursuing its case at the state Supreme Court despite the city council's decision last fall to end red-light camera enforcement.

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    The council voted 5-1 on Nov. 7 to end the program, with plans to stop issuing red-light citations on Nov. 15 and to deactivate cameras at that time.

    Critics of Greenville's red-light program will have a chance to respond to the latest court filings. The state Supreme Court has not yet scheduled Fearrington v. City of Greenville for oral arguments.
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( July 27th, 2023 @ 5:18 pm )
 
No, for description sake, I use words like indigent.

Remember these two things: I am NOT a Leftist, therefore I endeavor to communicate on a higher level.

One more thing Big Bob; as a Leftist bigot, you need not worry about my salvation.
Big Bob said:
( July 27th, 2023 @ 4:59 pm )
 
I know, but the were equitable. Not surprised they are gone.
Big Bob said:
( July 27th, 2023 @ 5:10 pm )
 
Indigent. I think you mean a person, right? You know Stan, when you die, if you go to heaven, you are going to share that space with a lot of those very same people. If they let you in. Awkward!
( July 27th, 2023 @ 2:50 pm )
 
About 2.5 decades ago, I had trouble at a stop light when a indigent with a squeegee wanted to clean my windshield at an intersection in a large northern city, when the light turned green. By the time I was rid of the indigent, with horns behind me blaring, the light went from yellow to red as I escaped the intersection.

Afterward I received a notification that I owed for the Red Light offense, and after many threats from that city government, I sent them a well worded letter, telling them "cold day in hell," and whatnot.

I never paid on the sake of principle. My car insurance company never found out, and at that point I knew I would do all within my power to keep traffic cameras from Beaufort County.

Governments do NOT need more, and varied revenue streams, they need less ... much less.

I am not sure what happened to the Indigent with the Squeegee, but maybe he found gainful and real employment, thereby providing a service to humanity as we know it.
( July 27th, 2023 @ 11:47 am )
 
You've got that right, Stan, and when the machines screw up, getting recourse is often dificult.

There was a case in the UK where a man got a ticket in the mail from a speed camera saying he was driving over 400 miles an hour on a British motorway. He sent a letter back saying that this could not possibly be right because he drove an old Toyota, not a jumbo jet. He got a letter back that the machine was always right and he should pay up.

There was another case some years ago when this issue was hot at the legislature, when a legislator brought up the case of one of his constituents. She had received a red light camera ticket in the mail from a town she said she had never been to in her life. Further, on the day she allegedly ran the red light, she could document that she was in intensive care in a hospital in Las Vegas, and the car was in the parking garage there. The town still did not want to cancel the ticket.
( July 27th, 2023 @ 10:38 am )
 
In court, one cannot face their accusers.
( July 27th, 2023 @ 10:30 am )
 
Clearly, Bob has never driven in Greece, Spain, Malta, or Turkey. I have, and Greenville drivers are MUCH MUCH better than those. Heck, the UK Foreign Office even has an advisory to its citizens traveling in Spain about driving because of the craziness of Spanish drivers. Driving in Italy was also a bit hectic due to Italian drivers tendency to view highway signs like stop signs as mere suggestions.

The worst thing about red light cameras is that they are an undemocratic police state measure right out of Orwell's "1984", but that sort of thing seems right down Bob's ally from some of his posts here.
( July 27th, 2023 @ 9:43 am )
 
Your bigotry notwithstanding Big Bob, the cameras have been ruled unconstitutional by the North Carolina Supreme Court.
Big Bob said:
( July 27th, 2023 @ 9:31 am )
 
Greenville has some of the worst drivers on the planet. The red light cameras were good and a big plus, they treated the rich white good ol boys like everyone else.
( July 27th, 2023 @ 8:55 am )
 
I read this twice, and by the second reading, I realized that the issue may well be about:

The school boards of Pitt County have determined that they may have been shortchanged by the City of Greenville on civil proceeds due to them by the Fine and Forfeitures clause in the NC Constitution; however, now believe they must work diligently to succeed in getting the highest court in North Carolina to overturn their recent ruling on traffic enforcement by cameras as unconstitutional so that schools in Pitt County can settle up with the City of Greenville, and continue to get more revenues from an unconstitutional levy just recently struck down.

If I got this right convoluted issue right, then I am smarter than I pretend to be, and alternately, the Pitt County schools' administration /school boards got some real intellectual /wise governing work to do, both independently and collectively, unconstitutional collection of unwarranted fines collected notwithstanding.



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