Time for churches to cut the cord re: gov't? | Eastern North Carolina Now

    Publisher's note: Brant Clifton uses the words of others, in part, to keep a close inspection on the ridiculous here in North Carolina in his "bare knuckles" Conservative online publication known as The Daily Haymaker.

    Not too long ago, Gov. Pat McCrory and Speaker Tim Moore were telling us they could see no real need for a religious freedom restoration act. Where are examples of people's religious freedoms being stomped on by government, they asked. Oh, wait. Here's ONE:

    Within hours of the House giving final approval to a bill that would allow magistrates and other public officials to refuse to perform marriages for religious reasons, Gov. Pat McCrory vetoed the measure.

    Senate Bill 2 would allow magistrates and employees of county register of deeds offices who object to same-sex marriage to recuse themselves from performing or recording any marriages, gay or straight, for a period of at least six months.

    "I recognize that, for many North Carolinians, including myself, opinions on same-sex marriage come from sincerely held religious beliefs that marriage is between a man and a woman. However, we are a nation and a state of laws. Whether it is the president, governor, mayor, a law enforcement officer or magistrate, no public official who voluntarily swears to support and defend the Constitution and to discharge all duties of their office should be exempt from upholding that oath," McCrory said in a statement. Officials said Friday that McCrory vetoed the measure late Thursday. [...]


    We got here because an Obama-appointed federal judge - and buddy of Richard Burr - took a look at our state constitution's marriage amendment and decided that Messrs. Adams, Franklin, and Madison, et. al., would have been deeply offended by it. He didn't find any specific wording in the Constitution contradicting this vote by the people of North Carolina. It was his opinion. (And we know what opinions are like.)

    So, we are seriously going to surrender to the opinion of one Asheville lawyer? Apparently, Gov. Pat is:

    Senate President Pro Tem Phil Berger and House Speaker Tim Moore said they "respect but disagree with" McCrory's decision, but they stopped short of saying whether they plan to override it.

    "Senate Bill 2 is necessary because a bureaucracy failed to make reasonable accommodations and instead forced some magistrates to make an impossible choice between their core religious beliefs and their jobs," Berger and Moore said in a joint statement. "A majority of the people's elected representatives in both chambers agreed that this bill strikes an appropriate balance between the expansion of rights for some and our constitutionally-protected freedom of religion."

    The Senate has enough votes to override the veto, but it's unclear whether the House could also sustain an override. The final House vote on the bill was 67-43, which barely meets the three-fifths threshold of present members for an override. [...]


    Do you really think this stop here? What will Gov. Pat and his friends say when the gaystapo starts suing Baptist churches across the state for discrimination because they refuse to partake in the "wedding" of Adam and Steve?

    I think there were good intentions behind SB 2, but it left way too much of an opening for leftists to tear it a new one. I think the answer to this problem lies a lot closer to what the Alabama legislature is working on:

    This week, the Alabama state Senate passed a bill that would end the practice of licensing marriages in the state, effectively nullifying both major sides of the contentious national debate over government-sanctioned marriage.

    Introduced by Sen. Greg Albritton (R-Bay Minette), Senate Bill 377 (SB377) would end state issued marriage licenses, while providing marriage contracts as an alternative. It passed through the Alabama state Senate by a 22-3 margin on May 19.laugh

    "When you invite the state into those matters of personal or religious import, it creates difficulties," Sen. Albritton said about his bill in April. "Go back long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away. Early twentieth century, if you go back and look and try to find marriage licenses for your grandparents or great grandparents, you won't find it. What you will find instead is where people have come in and recorded when a marriage has occurred."

    The bill would replace all references to marriages "licenses" in state law with "contracts." The legislation would not invalidate any marriage licenses issued prior to the bill being passed.

    The contract shall be filed in the office of the judge of probate in each county and shall constitute a legal record of the marriage. A copy of the contract shall be transmitted to the Office of Vital Statistics of the Department of Public Health and made a part of its record...

    Effective July 1, 2015, any requirement to obtain a marriage license issued by the judge of probate is abolished and repealed.

    PRACTICAL EFFECT

    SB377 would accomplish two things.

    First, it would render void the edicts of federal judges that have overturned state laws defining marriage. The founding generation never envisioned unelected judges issuing ex cathedra pronouncements regarding the definition of social institutions like marriage and the Constitution delegates the federal judiciary no authority to meddle in the issue. Marriage is a realm clearly left to the state and the people..

    Second, the bill would get the state government out of defining marriage entirely as well, ending the squabble between factions that seek to harness the power of the state, thereby taking the burden off government officials who may be torn between what is legally required of them and their religious convictions.

    The intent or motives behind this bill are a moot point. By removing the state from the equation, no one can force another to accept their marriage, nor can they force another to reject that person's own beliefs regarding an institution older than government.

    "Licenses are used as a way to stop people from doing things," said Michael Boldin of the Tenth Amendment Center. "My personal relationship should not be subject to government permission."

    HISTORICAL BACKDROP

    As a 2007 New York Times op/ed points out, for centuries marriage was a private affair.

    "For most of Western history, they didn't, because marriage was a private contract between two families. The parents' agreement to the match, not the approval of church or state, was what confirmed its validity. For 16 centuries, Christianity also defined the validity of a marriage on the basis of a couple's wishes. If two people claimed they had exchanged marital vows - even out alone by the haystack - the Catholic Church accepted that they were validly married.

    In fact, the use of state marriage licenses for many years was a way of preventing people from entering into interracial marriages. Later, the NYT story recounts, the licenses became necessary in order to subsidize the welfare state.

    "The Social Security Act provided survivors' benefits with proof of marriage. Employers used marital status to determine whether they would provide health insurance or pension benefits to employees' dependents. Courts and hospitals required a marriage license before granting couples the privilege of inheriting from each other or receiving medical information."

    Something that is rarely considered by those seeking to control the state's definition of marriage is that a marriage license means a citizen requires the permission of their government before they can get married. A person cannot drive a vehicle, aside from limited circumstances, without a license. A person cannot practice law without a license, nor can they engage in medical care.

    Put another way, marriage is not a right, or a religious institution, but a privilege the state grants us if we meet the conditions put upon us.[...]

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( May 31st, 2015 @ 7:17 am )
 
It is not too high on my list of big issues either, but since I have several female acquaintances that are in a committed relationship and my wife worked in an office full of gays when she sold real estate, it is a hot button here in Atlanta. I would just prefer the government to concentrate on those things that the constitution has allocated to them.
( May 30th, 2015 @ 10:37 pm )
 
You know Bobby Tony. It is not a big issue for me right now.

There are far weightier issues in America and North Carolina, local. If I was pushed to vote on the issue as an elected guy, I would vote the Old Testament.
( May 30th, 2015 @ 5:57 pm )
 
Having just read the link to the Alabama article, I can see where this would offer positive results for all sides. First the government should never have been involved in this issue at all. Secondly it eliminates any Need for anyone to affirm or deny others the freedom of their expressing of who they want to share their life with.
Now if we could just get the government out of the marriage arena regarding taxes, we will be well on the way to a a neutral stance on by law on personal decisions . established contract law can handle dissolutions of a contract. I neither endorse or condem same sex marriage for the same reason I don't assume the judgement of who goes to heaven or hell. That is a personal matter to be decided by a higher authority
Social mores can be used effectively to encourage or discourage personal behavior without the need for laws. It also has the added benefit of taking the discussion of "RIGHTS" out of the equation.
( May 30th, 2015 @ 4:02 pm )
 
One of my best sermons dealt with "The Whip or The Towel." The same day Jesus whupped hell out of the Money changers, he took a towel to wash the feet of his Disciples too busy worrying over who would sit where to offer the duty of the servant to one coming inside his house for supper . . .

Either way, he was trying to get people to be nice . . .
( May 30th, 2015 @ 3:35 pm )
 
North Carolina is still too Liberal for me, but I can understand how you, Gene, might see it the other way.

By the way, did you ever preach about Lot, the two angels, Sodom and Gomorrah, its destruction by the raining of fire, or did you just do some New Testament stuff, and then 'called it a day'.
( May 30th, 2015 @ 3:11 pm )
 
I remember a time when other states looked to NC as an example of Progressive Legislation --- now we are saying Alabama is our guide = "LORD HEP US!!!"



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