Conservatives Take Over the SBC --- More NC Results | Eastern North Carolina Now

    Next week is the real Southern Baptist Convention. It is the Annual Meeting in Ohio this year. This is when all the churches send Messengers to vote on matters. Every Messenger has a vote. Each church can send as many as 10. Any church which contributes to the Cooperative Program (which is the only funding source for all SBC work) gets at least 2 Messengers.

    They are going to get a report on their Progress or Decline. Here are the facts they will view:

    The stats get this summary:

    It marked the eighth straight year of declining membership for the nation's second-largest faith group behind Roman Catholics. Today 807,000 fewer people sit in Southern Baptist pews than in 2006.

    Ed Stetzer, head of LifeWay Research, says the trend goes back much further, to slower rates of growth in the 1960s and 1970s followed by plateau and then gradual decline. If it continues, Stetzer predicts the SBC will follow the same trajectory of the so-called "mainline decline," long presumed by SBC conservatives to have been caused by liberal theology.

    Preserving evangelistic zeal was a driving force behind the "conservative resurgence" movement of the 1980s and 1990s that produced a more conservative denominational leadership at the cost of losing former SBC churches now affiliated with smaller groups such as the Alliance of Baptists and Cooperative Baptist Fellowship."

    This series of articles is covering what EXACTLY happened! You may read them from the beginning now if you have overlooked some. The Conservatives---all mega church authoritarian Pastors with giant egos---started with W.A. Criswell of Dallas FBC. He discovered the secret ingredient of control. The SBC President appoints the Committee on Committees each year. It was intended as a means to share power, solicit input from all parts of the SBC, and have a totally democratic structure as opposed to the Roman Catholic hierarchy where the Pope decides / the Cardinals affirm / from there to the local church and priests---you do as told!

    There has been a dichotomy between rural shouting and screaming churches---called the Sandy Creek (NC) Tradition vs. Charleston (SC) Tradition which was formal. It is based on the highly educated clergy stemming from the formation of the SBC in the FBC of Charleston. Both churches exist today. You will note this is a product of Frontier America and original southern colonies of NC and SC! As usual, NC is at the evangelical religious core of America. Our Halifax Accords actually pre-date the Constitution --- and much of our early founders' thought is in that document!

    The same dichotomy is part of original America. The majority of early settlers were simply revolting from the staid and fixed culture of the Old World to the wild-and-wooly Frontier of the New World. The laws of primogeniture said "only the oldest son can inherit." A wealthy family could purchase a Land Grant in the forming Colonies. Many prominent Planters of the South got their start and can still produce the document which gave them a big Plantation. Either a daughter of son could have such a bold start in the Colonies.

    If you were poor and wanted a future, you could book passage and start from scratch in the New World. From that simple penniless start the opportunities of the New World were your apple to eat. The idea was "anyone can become the President of the United States." Benjamin Franklin arrived in Boston with such poverty and worked his way up with newspaper publishing and the appreciation of the readers sending him to the forefront of the writing of the Constitution. George Washington married Martha who had a Land Grant for their home and large farm. Land Grants were prominent from Virginia down the coast to Georgia. The Spanish settled Florida with the same formula for land.

    In America a good education and social prominence were the valued possessions along with having a big farm. That story repeated itself as the westward movement added more opportunities of land ownership. We took the land from the Native Americans and sent them packing to the Mountains of NC --- and ultimately over the Trail of Tears to the mid-west. Greed and beating out the "heathen Indians" were part of this picture as well. Prejudice and Greed are in the blood of this nation, my friends! Slaves, like Indians, were thought to "have no souls as did the White Man." If you make your mind think there is "superiority built into your color," you can do as did Hitler. He made the Jews into "Jewish rats and infidels who killed Christ."

    Situations and history change, but basic human nature does not!

    This article takes the upcoming SBC meeting and the founding of the Nation into consideration. Rather than make it longer on this round. I shall continue the details of the Conservative Takeover and its results in the next article:

    The previous one dealt with the changes forced on NC by the Takeover. This one gives a jump forward and way back to the beginnings. It is like a William Faulkner novel or Star Wars where the reader/viewer has to use his mind to put the whole story together!

    Changes to the Southern Baptist Convention (to be continued)

        •  Redaction of the history of SEBTS and the SBC

        •  Formation of a new group of Baptists honoring local church freedom

        •  Reduction in numbers of churches participating in NC / SBC work
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( June 17th, 2015 @ 5:03 pm )
 
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution sums up the activity:

www.ajc.com
( June 17th, 2015 @ 5:01 pm )
 
The SBC ended today --- they always do something to get a front line. This year was "show your gay hate" headlines:

baptistnews.com
( June 16th, 2015 @ 10:09 pm )
 
I went through the archived live feeds today at: live.sbc.net.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com

As a lay person most will find it somewhat staid and programmed. I find it most interesting that their crowd is small and their room is too. In past years the meeting required a large coliseum. If you are pretty much rubber stamping all the recommendations from the Executive Committee you get the top down change to the SBC.

The Sunday School Literature is now under the enslavement to the Baptist Faith and Message Statement adopted some years back stating "The Bible is Inerrant." Those same leaders have no problem jumping on an international jet and, according to the biblical view of earth should fall off a corner as the sun goes around earth each day.

I used to have to sit through all that stuff. With fast forward, I can turn a day long event into an hour and that should please a techno-geek if nothing else, Ted!

You can hear a few good sermons bewailing the downward spiral of the SBC. Many of us told them "you can steal the bus, but with your sparse giving will there be any gas in the tank?" I see their church giving averages going greatly down as the megachurch "all under my roof so I can brag" mentality is thwarting new church growth that was in abundance in the 60-70 era.

They can vote what they please, but each church is ultimately autonomous --- unless you minister to gays or call a female pastor. Much more hand waving and informal attire is evident. One messenger made a motion they turn down the volumn on the praise choirs and instruments since they were hurting his ears!
( June 16th, 2015 @ 5:53 pm )
 
The SBC seems far removed from the Baptist church I attend occasionally.
Is there any reason I should follow the SBC activities? I assume they affect pastors and seminaries more than autonomous churches.
( June 16th, 2015 @ 8:45 am )
 
As the actual SBC meeting begins today, there is a major issue over Missionary Control: www.bpnews.net

The meeting is an opportunity to ask questions, but whenever a bunch of Trustees makes a decision, it is hard to defeat nowadays. This one deals with Speaking in Tongues --- which is a biblical thing of the New Testament you cannot deny, YET the new Conservative Leaders do not want it practiced by ANY missionary or any Executive. The last International Mission Board (IMB) Executive was forced out by his practice of a "prayer language."

It is hard for me to reconcile their insistence on an Inerrant Bible and their refusal to allow a biblical practice. It can to wild and be a problem, but again, Paul gives clear guidance in his Letter to the Galatians and a few others of his letters when it was an Early Church problem.

Today's SBC leaders are scared of the Holy Spirit, it seems to me . . .
( June 15th, 2015 @ 3:28 pm )
 
Should any good Southern Baptists wish to keep up with all the events today, here is your site: www.bpnews.net
( June 15th, 2015 @ 3:20 pm )
 
The same man quoted over the numerical decline posts this on the eve before the Convention starts tomorrow at 9:00:

What now?

At the core, these numbers tell us this: It is as important as it has ever been for Southern Baptists to share and show the love of Jesus.

But that does not require a Southern Baptist Convention. That's true for nondenominational churches as well.

So, for the future, the SBC needs to find a way to cooperatively work together -- what SBC President Ronnie Floyd has called "visible unity" -- to lead out in evangelism and church planting, provide resources for church revitalization, engage young and more non-Anglo leaders, and do so as a denominational family.

Facts are our friends, and the fact is the SBC decline is not reversing. It is not too late to make changes that will reverse the decline, but we must do so together.

Ed Stetzer is vice president of LifeWay Christian Resources of the Southern Baptist Convention.
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My question is---we had love and cooperation before the Conservatives started calling us skunks and infidels and promised great growth is only we became more Conservative and the Resurgence started with their tricks of the trade . . .



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