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That's the title of a Wall Street Journal article by Oliver Kamm. Horrors! For a dyed in the wool grammar geek and word nerd, this article is hard to take.

Here is my favorite rant on southern language. A good old Georgia boy transplanted to Texas.
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Commented: Tuesday, March 22nd, 2016 @ 5:22 pm By: Bobby Tony
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On YouTube, Tim Wilson explains Southern Accents.
Commented: Tuesday, March 22nd, 2016 @ 3:26 pm By: Ted McDonald
And thank-you so much for that. And, I love the word stuff too.

Years ago I started using the word stuff rather than some other cliched words, like the word people use to describe human waste - 'that's some good "stuff" man.'
Commented: Sunday, March 20th, 2016 @ 3:52 pm By: Stan Deatherage
As your resident grammar geek, I will continue sending "stuff" like this. See, I can be informal every once in a while.
Commented: Sunday, March 20th, 2016 @ 10:10 am By: Kathy Manos Penn
Interesting discussion here, and especially the: specific instances, separate rules, changes on the horizon of a such a difficult language, English; but most languages are at their core.

People have a need to communicate, and language, English and all the others, are just one of the many tools to do so, albeit, the most exercised one of the mix.

Let's keep this going. Hopefully, Kathy will keep posting these wonderful reminders of the rules that lend to us a bit of the structure that keep us on the same proverbial page.
Commented: Sunday, March 20th, 2016 @ 7:08 am By: Stan Deatherage
TMc: In most contexts, someone and somebody are interchangeable. The only difference that most native speakers can agree upon is that someone is more formal than somebody (just as anyone is more formal than anybody, and everyone is more formal than everybody). (I googled your question and found this answer.)
Commented: Tuesday, March 15th, 2016 @ 10:01 pm By: Kathy Manos Penn
Kathy, regarding your reference to Ending a Sentence with a Preposition...

Sir Winston Churchill & Ending Sentences in Prepositions
Churchill once got upset with a publication that went to great extremes to avoid ending a sentence in a preposition. He wrote them a letter of protest, in which he proclaimed his disdain for this Extreme Grammatical Acrobatics. He finished his letter with this sentence... “This is the kind of supercilious nonsense up with which I will not put.”

A word of warning, do not go look this bit of trivia up in anything like Google. You will find many versions of Winston addressing this issue. For example, the Oxford Companion to the English Language (no edition cited) states that the original was, “This is the sort of bloody nonsense up with which I will not put”. I personally like the word “supercilious”, so I always cite that one.

E.B. White Went 4 Up On Sir Winston
He wrote that a father went upstairs to read a bedtime story to his son but he brought the wrong book. His son said to him, “Why did u bring that book that I don't want to be read to out of up for?”

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Commented: Tuesday, March 15th, 2016 @ 8:20 pm By: Alex J. Ortolano
BT: Forgive TMc and Me...not TMc and I. KmP did not catch that.
Commented: Tuesday, March 15th, 2016 @ 8:23 am By: Ted McDonald
Or perhaps this falls into the category of "boys will be boys."
Commented: Monday, March 14th, 2016 @ 9:11 pm By: Kathy Manos Penn
I'm not actually writing about Shakespeare proper English. I am referring to basic English rules, like using I vs. me properly and not using double negatives.
Commented: Monday, March 14th, 2016 @ 5:08 pm By: Kathy Manos Penn
KmP is writing about proper English. Shakespeare proper English is not useful today.
I have no idea what I am talking about and occasionally return to delete comments.
I want to comment on friend's articles and should just enter XXXX.
Commented: Monday, March 14th, 2016 @ 4:10 pm By: Ted McDonald
BT: I continue to delete comments. They are politically incorrect although puntuationally accurate.
Commented: Monday, March 14th, 2016 @ 10:48 am By: Ted McDonald
Well, I think I am becoming your fourth friend, so keep the posts coming.

You and I will make you immortal, and Ted, and Alex, and Sabe, and Kathy, and Rod, and ...
Commented: Sunday, March 13th, 2016 @ 3:23 pm By: Stan Deatherage
My excuse is that I always try to write and talk in the language of my audiance and that means poor grammer, poor speelling, poor puntciation because that is how most of my three friends can understand it.

I once asked my spouse, mate, companion, partner to proof one of my posts for grammar, spelling and clarity. She read two lines and put it in the shredder. I have been on my own ever since.
Commented: Sunday, March 13th, 2016 @ 2:48 pm By: Bobby Tony
As you and I both know, all things Appalachian are very cool.
Commented: Sunday, March 13th, 2016 @ 2:31 pm By: Stan Deatherage
I use Appalachian Free Style punctuation. You can connect a lot of short sentences with colons and semi-colons. Punctuating dialog is difficult for me but the Spanish use dashes and I sometimes use those.
Commented: Saturday, March 12th, 2016 @ 6:05 pm By: Ted McDonald
It is a delicate balance between the Grammar Geeks, the structure of a common language, and those that present their position of their purpose in a creative fashion to communicate as they feel inclined.

I have read much over the years, and one thing that I have noticed about grammar: The rules change often and many great writers do not follow all of the rules - possibly some of them when it suits them.
Commented: Wednesday, March 9th, 2016 @ 4:04 pm By: Stan Deatherage
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