There is no "proper English" | Eastern North Carolina Now

    Publisher's note: Please join me in welcoming our newest contributor to BCN, Kathy Manos Penn, a native of the "Big Apple", by way of the "Peach City" - Atlanta. Kathy is a former English teacher, author of The Ink Penn blog, and a communications professional in corporate America. Now with Kathy on board, I advise all other contributors to mind your punctuation and syntax.

Kathy Manos Penn
    That's the title of a Wall Street Journal article by Oliver Kamm. Horrors! For a dyed in the wool grammar geek and word nerd, this article is hard to take. In fact, I'm downright grouchy about it. The premise? "If people say it, it's the right way to speak." That's a bridge too far for me. I can agree that some rules should die a natural death, like the prohibitions against split infinitives and ending a sentence with a preposition. Those rules result in some pretty stilted sentences, but Mr. Kamm begins to lose me when he asserts:

          The grammatical rules invoked by pedants aren't real rules of grammar at all. They are, at best, just stylistic conventions: An example would be the use of a double negative (I can't get no satisfaction). It makes complete grammatical sense, as an intensifier. It's just a convention that we don't use double negatives of that form in Standard English.

    Sorry, using a double negative is acceptable? I can't go there. He also thinks that using a plural pronoun to reference one person is fine, as in "the cyclist rode 'their' bike too fast." His rationale is that if most people do it, then it's proper:

          It is possible, of course, for us to make errors of grammar, spelling or punctuation. But it is not possible for everyone, or the majority of educated users of the language, to be wrong on the same point at the same time. If it is in general use, then that is what the language is.

    I'm a former English teacher, but I don't think I'm a snob, nor do I believe, as the author says, that "Pedantry is poor manners..." I still believe folks should know when to use me instead of I but don't consider them ignorant when they occasionally mess up. Because grammar and vocabulary are my obsessions, I want my writing to be near perfect, but I don't hold everyone else to the standards I set for myself. Even I-do you hear the joking tone-sometimes allow a grammatical error to get by me in my writing.

    I wholeheartedly agree with the author that writers and speakers must consider their audience, but how will you adjust your style for the letter that accompanies your college application or resume if you're not well grounded in proper English to begin with? How will you speak well so that you put your best foot forward in a job interview?

    I believe that those who work in corporate America and many small businesses should strive to adhere to proper English, as we're judged by how we speak and write. Sending out emails filled with grammatical errors or using poor grammar when speaking up in meetings will create unfavorable impressions. How much your credibility is damaged will depend on your particular work environment, but the damage can be substantial. Just as we form judgments about people based on how they dress, we do the same for how they write or speak. Mr. Kamm may believe, "People should not be stigmatized for the way they speak...," but the reality is we all are.

    Does the fact that many people I know make the mistake of using mute in place of moot make the substitution correct? If you follow the author's line of thinking, I guess it does. Why, he evens disses Strunk & White's The Elements of Style, which was the standard style guide for any college writing assignment...at least in the dark ages, when I attended college.

    I'm on my soapbox and close to climbing down, but first, I have a final point to make: Neither my parents nor my siblings graduated from college, but we kids were raised to value speaking and writing proper English. My degree in English may give me a slight edge, but my sisters are just as much sticklers for proper English as I am. If that trait makes us pedants or snobs, so be it.
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( March 22nd, 2016 @ 5:22 pm )
 
Here is my favorite rant on southern language. A good old Georgia boy transplanted to Texas.
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( March 22nd, 2016 @ 3:26 pm )
 
www.youtube.com
On YouTube, Tim Wilson explains Southern Accents.
( March 20th, 2016 @ 3:52 pm )
 
And thank-you so much for that. And, I love the word stuff too.

Years ago I started using the word stuff rather than some other cliched words, like the word people use to describe human waste - 'that's some good "stuff" man.'
( March 20th, 2016 @ 10:10 am )
 
As your resident grammar geek, I will continue sending "stuff" like this. See, I can be informal every once in a while.
( March 20th, 2016 @ 7:08 am )
 
Interesting discussion here, and especially the: specific instances, separate rules, changes on the horizon of a such a difficult language, English; but most languages are at their core.

People have a need to communicate, and language, English and all the others, are just one of the many tools to do so, albeit, the most exercised one of the mix.

Let's keep this going. Hopefully, Kathy will keep posting these wonderful reminders of the rules that lend to us a bit of the structure that keep us on the same proverbial page.
( March 15th, 2016 @ 10:01 pm )
 
TMc: In most contexts, someone and somebody are interchangeable. The only difference that most native speakers can agree upon is that someone is more formal than somebody (just as anyone is more formal than anybody, and everyone is more formal than everybody). (I googled your question and found this answer.)
( March 15th, 2016 @ 8:20 pm )
 
Kathy, regarding your reference to Ending a Sentence with a Preposition...

Sir Winston Churchill & Ending Sentences in Prepositions
Churchill once got upset with a publication that went to great extremes to avoid ending a sentence in a preposition. He wrote them a letter of protest, in which he proclaimed his disdain for this Extreme Grammatical Acrobatics. He finished his letter with this sentence... “This is the kind of supercilious nonsense up with which I will not put.”

A word of warning, do not go look this bit of trivia up in anything like Google. You will find many versions of Winston addressing this issue. For example, the Oxford Companion to the English Language (no edition cited) states that the original was, “This is the sort of bloody nonsense up with which I will not put”. I personally like the word “supercilious”, so I always cite that one.

E.B. White Went 4 Up On Sir Winston
He wrote that a father went upstairs to read a bedtime story to his son but he brought the wrong book. His son said to him, “Why did u bring that book that I don't want to be read to out of up for?”

FellaO
( March 15th, 2016 @ 8:23 am )
 
BT: Forgive TMc and Me...not TMc and I. KmP did not catch that.
( March 14th, 2016 @ 9:11 pm )
 
Or perhaps this falls into the category of "boys will be boys."
( March 14th, 2016 @ 5:08 pm )
 
I'm not actually writing about Shakespeare proper English. I am referring to basic English rules, like using I vs. me properly and not using double negatives.
( March 14th, 2016 @ 4:10 pm )
 
KmP is writing about proper English. Shakespeare proper English is not useful today.
I have no idea what I am talking about and occasionally return to delete comments.
I want to comment on friend's articles and should just enter XXXX.
( March 14th, 2016 @ 10:48 am )
 
BT: I continue to delete comments. They are politically incorrect although puntuationally accurate.
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